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From 1925 into the early 1950s, the Crosman.22 caliber model 101 or “Silent,” as it’s sometimes called in advertising, was a popular pump rifle. No model number on the gun The 101 is a strange bird. Firstthere is no model designation on the gun. Secondbecause most parts interchange, you will find all sorts of parts variations on the guns today. Finding an original 101 is as hard as finding an original Garand rifle from World War II.
And, it has the same problem: How can you prove that it’s original? The earliest successful underlever design Today, we take the underlever pump for granted, but until Crosman invented it in 1924, people pumped their guns with a bicycle pump rod that extended from the front of the gun. Even Crosman’s first model is a front pumper.
The second model introduced the underlever that’s been the standard ever since. It’s so “right” that when companies like Daystate and Sharp fiddle with it by using a sidelever, they only do themselves harm. Apparently, the underlever is the one right way to pump an airgun! The receiver looks vintage, which it is, of course. Notice that the cocking knob is unscrewed several turns to take pressure off the valve.
The rifle can store air indefinitely this way. Cocking and loading are separate One interesting quirk of the 101 is that the bolt only opens the breech to accept the pellet. To cock the rifle, a separate cocking knob must be pulled back. The gun must be cocked or it will not accept a pump – unless you follow this tip: Partly unscrew the cocking knob so the mainspring is not pressing against the exhaust valve, and you can pump the gun uncocked. This trick is also good for leaving two pumps of air in the gun between shooting sessions to keep the valve free from dirt. After you ride the cocking handle down – following the two pumps of air, unscrew the knob and the gun will remain sealed for years!
Several subtle design changes The guns may have looked the same, but they didn’t have the same valves. The early valves were known as troublemakers, and repair stations quickly replaced them as soon as a better design became available. Barrels and pump tubes can be made of either brass or steel. Because of the ease of parts swapping, there is no sure way to know when one type ended and another began. Rear sights vary a lot, and the newest ones are the best, in a strange twist of fate. They are all aperture-type, which makes for greater precision. The “clickless” rubber pump handle In the 1940s, Crosman introduced a pump handle that was supposed to not click when it banged against the pump tube.
As this material dried out over the years, it became as hard as any hardwood and clicks just as loud! The rubber pump handle is an ugly red color that really looks sad on an otherwise attractive airgun. They also made a.177 The.177 version, called the model 100, was made from 1940 to 1950 and is rarer than the 101, usually fetching about 20 to 50 percent more money. A nice 101 shooter today brings $80 to $100 at an airgun show, while a 100 will often bring $125 to $150. The gun shown here didn’t hold air when I bought it for $50 at an airgun show.
I sent it to, who resealed it and made the valve more efficient and gave me more velocity. I get about 710 f.p.s. With.22 Premiers on eight pumps. That’s cookin’ for a vintage multi-pump! I still shoot my rifle more than many of my other pellet guns. Perhaps that says it best – this is one sweet air rifle.
This entry was posted in. Bookmark the. Post navigation. Earl, Well, it’s not easy, but here goes. If you have the peep sight with knurled rings on both sides of the stalk, that was the last sight Crosman made. Your gun would be late 1940s to early 1950s. The cocking knob shown on mine is the last style they made – also from the same era.
The last models tended to have thicker wood butts as mine does. In Blue Book you can see the pellet-shaped cocking knob. That was earlier and maybe the first. The small thin ring knob was very early. Brass barrels show up at different times, but I believe, as Blue Book states, that Crosman made them. If they were out of barrels for any reason, they could have bought a few thousand from Remington to keep production going, and Remington probably made steel, so brass and steel show up interspersed.
That’s a peep sight on mine, but it’s an older, cheaper version. That’s about it. It’s difficult to pin these things down exactly, but from what you say, your gun sounds like one of the last ones made. I have been trying to find information about my beloved first airgun, a Crosman.22 that closely resembles the current Sheridans. It was manufactured in the 70’s (?)and was a multipump, bolt action single shot with a short barrel and a walnut stock. Unlike the Sheridans, it did not have a bulge in the forestock and the rear sight had a ratcheted slide to adjust windage.
The bolt did not extend past the receiver when pulled back for loading. This gun was a real treasure and very accurate. It made all of my friends with Crosman 760’s green with envy because of it’s power, being.22 caliber, it’s accuracy, and because it looked lik a “real” gun in proportions and the wood stock. I remember watching BB’s from a 760 bounce off a pidgeon, and then shooting this Crosman – the pidgeons were knocked backwards and never required a second “mercy” shot. Unfortunately this gun was stolen from me 20 years ago. When I decided to get back in to pellet guns I intended to just get another one of these. After I realised they were not available, I got a Gamo Shadow 1000 instead.
I am happy with the Gamo, but I got excited when I discovered the Sheridans on PyramidAir.com and thought I had found it – especially when I saw the Crosman connection. Turns out they aren’t the same gun after all. Maybe mine was a Crosman imitation of the Sheridans. I feel that it was an all time classic and it would still be a relevant gun if still available. Hello, You learn something new every day.
My newest 101 has the bent bolt. See posting above. Mine and db’s are the only ones I’ve seen or heard of.
I checked my swing arm and there is a number! I hadn’t noticed it before. 68806 The receiver has a 951 stamped into the front where the stock closes. It also has the later sights.
My other 101’s have letters and numbers stamped in the the top of the receiver at the breech. One has an LA, the other has 49C. My 102 is clickless and has RG 4 5569 Stamped into the front of the receiver like the newer 101. I was just given a Crossman “Silent Rifle” from my Father he has had it for over 60 years after it was given to him as a Christmas Present when he was a child.
I am not sure of the model number it must be a 100 or a 101 It looks the same as the photo you posted however it seems to be a 177 cal. The peep site in the rear is adjusted by two regular screws that you loosen then slide the site. It does have the Crossman seal on the receiver with a pellet in the center. The only other markings are a number on the pump lever 210 K It has the steel barrel The rifle does needs some work as it will not hold air in the cylinder Is this a 100 or a 101? Here are some photos if the link works?dir=66e0&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//myphotos.
I just got a crosman 22 from a friend that looks kind of like the picture but has no markings on the reciver. It says on the top block Crosman 22, Oct 28 1924, Patents pending. This gun has some sort of tube on the left of the reciver that you load pellets into and when you work the bolt a little thing slides out the left side of the gun and it looks like it feeds the pellet into the chamber. You can not see the chamber with the bolt back. I looked on the pump swing arm and the serial # there is 2023 p. I’m trying to figure out what gun this is. The Cosman site has info but its pretty vague on the older guns.
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I would appreciate any help. Hello Dave Nice looking 101. I have one as well. Not as Nice looking as your’s but very effective. Mine was taken into Crosman Arms in West Bloomfield, New York by a friend whom will remain name less due to his Upper managment position there. Mine was getting sluggish, and he had one of the older guys take care of it.I am not certain what all was done to it, but I have Chrono graphed it at an amazing 820 FPS!That was with 20 Pumps and using the Daisy Game point ammo. I have killed many Barn Pigeons with it, along with squirells, chipmonks,and it goes straight through all without a problem.
Mine has a rear sight base like your’s but the small Circle eye piece was lost years ago, when the tiny screw loosened and fell out during a wood chuck hunt I was on. I had a gun smith replace it with a V-Notch style and it is deadly accurate.This is how I came to get mine. My Father was a Cop back in the Mid 50s and took this rifle from a Punk who was shooting out the Parking lot lights of a shopping Mall in Rochester New York back then, in the Twon Of Greece.He brought it home in the back of his Patrol car, and it remained locked up until I matured enough to have some safe gun handling sense.
It was given to me at a much later date I would say 1966 or so, and I grew up shooting it, and still have it. Mine has the same looking Bolt as yours and the steel barrel, but Like I said Much more wear. It came to me with a chunk missing out of it’s wood stock, and forend, but this never bothered me as it is a great shooter. Thanks for the Pictures and pointers on this classic killer pump 101 Crosman. Regards, Kurt. What a great resource! I was just trying to find out something about these to rid myself of some squirrels when I noticed there are no rear sights on mine.
There is side provision to mount some but they are missing. It holds air well, although I have not chronographed it yet.
I have two sets of numbers one on the pump arm 10991j and on the front of the reciever where the pump arm nestles in next to the barrel is stamped 851. This is a 22 cal so I assume it makes it a 101 but would be curious as to approximate production time and where I might secure a rear sight. Peep would be preferable. I have a 101 that was given to me in 1954 and it's now nearly 2012, by a gent who had it given to him 20 years before by his father who had it for shooting squirrels around the house. It's been oiled periodically over the years and paint touched up, It has a painted barrel, its in good to better shape with original sites etc.
Guess what it still pumps, holds air and works near as new. My brother and I hunted the Ohio woods in the 50's with this rifle and took hundreds of rabbit with it. It made us both excellent marksmen to this day. We learned a trick to get multi-shots. We'd pump it to perhaps 12-15 times and back off the cocking barrel hammer a few turns.
When fired the vales would close before all the air escaped and we could get a lower power second shot off in time to save the kill. We'd also back the barrel with a scrape of wet paper and push it in with the bolt, then add 8-10 BB's, followed with small wet paper plug in the barrel tip. We now had a bird shot gun for taking dove and quail. We were inventive if not dangerous! This rifle was so much fun to use, now it shares space with M1 carbine, and AR15's.
Excellent article. I was impressed by the detail and passion shown. Today I was given one of these rifles from a recent widow who asked me to take care of it since it was her husbands for many years.
He passed at age 76. I started some research to find out more about it and found your well informative article. Thanks for posting it. I’m not exactly sure what I have but it looks exactly like the one in the picture you posted.
Looking at the rifle I do see a few things I will point out. On the bolt where you cock it it has five rings one on each end and three in the middle. From where it’s worn (the paint) I see both the barrel and pump tube are brass. It has the adjustable peep sights and a handle where you pull to open the chamber to insert the pellet as shown in your picture. I believe the stock and cocking handle are Mahogany.(not sure) On the side it’s stamped Crossman Arms Company Patented Rochester New York with a pellet stamped in the middle.
There are no numbers shown anywhere as some of the previous posts have identified. I’m not sure of the caliber and would’nt know how to tell at this point. After ensuring it was clear I cocked it, squeezed the trigger as I rode the bolt forward. The spring seemed to work fine but I have not let it go freely yet as I was not sure if it was bad for the rifle or not, as well as I’m not familiar with it. It does appear not to hold air. I will refer to the gentlemen you recommended for repairs. Again thanks for providing that information as well.
If you have any ideas or comments I’d appreciate them. Thanks for the response and the welcome. I appreciate both. I don’t have Pellgun Oil but I have CLP. I also have Outfitters Gun oil/rust preventative if that will do. If not I’ll stop by BassPro and pick up the Pellgun oil if you suggest. I did dry fire it with one pump to see if it would hold air and it sounded like it actually did release pressure from the barrel.
I did not want to try anything further until I conducted some research. The rifle seems to be in decent shape with the wear you’d expect but definitely needs to be cleaned as it was in a moist basement. Very little rust which is located on the screw of the sight. Other than that no more is visible.
Will CLP be okay to use to clean all the metal parts even though some pieces are brass? Finally, what would be the best way to determine the caliber?
Do you suggest buying some of each size of pellet? Sorry for my lack of knowledge with this thing. Hey y’all, I came across a crosman model 101 a few days ago after my father in law passed at 92. My step son and I were cleaning the garage and we both found a gun, mine was a squirt gun and his was a model 101. He won the stand off. I brought it home and cleaned it up, and proceeded to do some research. It has a medallion on the right side with pat.
Pending October 23, 1924. The pump lever feels strong but had a waxy build up on the plunger. The barrel seems to be plugged and the rear sight is gone. Other than that the gun feels good on my shoulder. I guess I need to find some one to go through it to make it right. There is no telling how long it had been in the garage or if it was his or his sons.
Both are gone now and all we can do is wonder when and where it came from allowing it to be a wonderful heirloom. Is there a recommended repair shop in the Carolin as available? Dad won a crosman 101 in a bingo around 1952.
I recently had it resealed and enjoy the ritual of shooting this design but this rifle has a brass barrel and, if i tip the barrel down with a pellet in it, the pellet will slide down the barrel. I guess it’s shot out. As you can imagine, this makes shooting inefficient. The rifle is still relatively accurate if i keep the barrel elevated or, at least, level. I’m wondering what you recommend for ammo and for barrel replacement? I’m thinking a pellet with a wide skirt will stay in position better.
Hello Folks and Rick in particular. I have had a Crosman 101 come my way from the death of a friend of mine.
To the right side of the breech bolt is stamped W3782, which I presume is the serial#. The rifle suffered terribly during its life. Someone at one time cut a slot in the breechblock boss to remove the barrel screw so a new screw will have to be made using a modern socket set screw for a base. Unfortunately the fit from the barrel to the breech block is allowing major leakage.
I intend to use micro O-rings on either side of the port on the barrel to restore. The breech face was restored and the crown recut as well.
How do you folks restore barrel fit to breechblock? Any comments. Love your notes and pictures as they guided me to making and fitting the superior flat O-ring style poppet valve and reworking the pump components.
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By Tom Gaylord Writing as B.B. Pelletier. What’s coming. Let’s get started.
MP 40. Remington 1875. Benjamin Wildfire. Umarex ARX ammo. Umarex Hammer. Umarex Gauntlet.
A shrouded Texan?. Other new things Well, it’s that time again. Here I am at the 2017 SHOT Show in Las Vegas. This year will be the biggest one yet for new airguns.
And when I say new, I mean really new designs. I’m not interested in a re-skinned gun that’s had other names in the past. There is so much stuff that is really new this year that everything else will get shoved to the rear. What’s coming Yesterday I was on the range with Sig and today I am out at Industry Day at the Range.
That’s an event that allows gun writers to try out various new products at a gun range. Actually, it’s more than 50 ranges, all lined up, one after another, in a line that’s about a third of a mile long! A few years ago they started putting ranges on the other side of the walkway, for guns that don’t shoot as far — like shotguns and airguns.
Crosman used the only airgun company that was consistently at Industry Day, with AirForce Airguns coming out a time or two. This year, though Crosman is not there.
Gamo is there with BSA, and maybe they also brought Daisy with them, now that they own them. Umarex USA will also be there, which will give me the opportunity to try a couple novel new things I plan to tell you about both today and again tomorrow — hopefully after I have shot them. Let’s get started Let’s jump in with some new things that are so hot they just won’t wait for me to see them at the show.
I’ll begin with a couple new replicas. MP 40 MP stands for Maschinenpistole, which is German for submachine gun. As a firearm, the MP 40 is a 9mm Parabellum (Luger) subgun that’s a modernized version of the MP 38. It’s an effective close-combat weapon that was cheaper to produce than the earlier MP 38, because stamped parts were used in place of machined parts. In that respect the MP 40 is like our American M3 “grease gun,” except the M3 comes in a larger caliber and has a much slower rate of fire. The MP 40, firing the smaller, lighter ammo, is easier to control and was a mainstay of many armies from WW II right up through Vietnam and even later. This is an MP 40 firearm.
The BB gun looks similar. This year Umarex USA is bringing out a CO2-powered 60-shot BB-firing version of the gun. If it’s anything like the they gave us two years ago, we’re in for a treat. I’ll try to give you more info as it comes my way. Remington 1875 Everyone is familiar with the profile of the Colt Single Action Army revolver, but a similar handgun was made by Remington. There were two main variations — models 1875 and 1890. This year, we will see the 1875 in BB gun form.
Obviously powered by CO2, this gun may look something like a Colt, but the lockwork is entirely different. Crosman will be bringing it out later this year, and I hope to have photos for you this week. The gun is smoothbore, but will also shoot pellets, just like the Colt BB guns.
Fellows, prepare your wives! This will be a year of fine new replicas! Benjamin Wildfire I don’t think Crosman took the name Wildfire from the male ostrich in the movie Tremors II, but you never know! The is a pneumatic version of the famous 12-shot 1077 repeating pellet rifle. Crosman calls it semiautomatic, but the mechanism is a double-action-only revolver. That’s why the trigger pull is so long and heavy — it has to both cock the striker and advance the 12-shot revolving clip to the next pellet.
With use it becomes smoother. Benjamin’s Wildfire is essentially a Crosman 1077 running on compressed air.
It dawned on me that this could be the $100 PCP! Umarex ARX ammo Umarex is bringing out a new hunting bullet called the ARX.
These are a polymer/copper matrix in a plastic bore-sized sleeve or sabot, and are also suitable for muzzleloading rifles. I don’t know the calibers they offer yet, but I presume they are for the new.50 caliber Hammer rifle and others. They are designed for maximum expansion in game at lower velocities. Of course I will test them for you when I get some. These will be expensive, but they promise to deliver maximum performance for hunters. Umarex ARX bullets promise revolutionary performance in game. Umarex Hammer I got a call from Umarex representative, Steve Lamboy, last week, He told me about the new Umarex Hammer.
The Hammer is a.50 caliber big bore that Umarex claims will deliver 700 foot-pounds at the muzzle. Not only that — it’s a 3-shot repeater. Not only that — it will retail for $650! And, with sabotted ammo, you will be able to shoot several calibers from the same gun. I’m thinking the ARX, though that was not specifically mentioned. I am hopefully shooting this one as you read this, today at the Media Day range!
If everything I was told bears out, and of course if it is accurate, the Hammer will raise the bar for big bore airguns. Umarex Gauntlet This could be the big deal of the day. No, make that the year. The Gauntlet is a 10-shot repeating PCP from Umarex that comes with a shrouded barrel and a regulator. None of those features is new, but they have never been offered in a $300 package before! Umarex Gauntlet is a budget-priced repeating PCP with great features. The Gauntlet comes in.177 and.22 calibers.
They are saying it gets up to 70 shots in.177 and 60 in.22. If it is accurate, it will have a major impact on the airgun market this year. This rifle, coupled with several new air compressors, will be the big news for the year. A shrouded Texan?
Anyone who has visited the Lone Star state knows how hard it is to keep Texans quiet. But this year, AirForce Airguns does just that with their new TexanSS. This novel big bore already leads the market; what will a quiet one do? It’s interesting they have done this just as the United States is moving toward legalizing silencers for all firearms in a modification of the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). Pictures to follow.
Other new things There are several new air compressors for airgunners this year. Air Venturi has a stout one that fills to 4,500 psi quickly, and AirForce Airguns will have a model of their own later in the year. I have the one from Air Venturi right now and you can anticipate a full report will start soon. Air Venturi’s new compressor goes to 4,500 psi quickly and shuts off automatically. My head is bursting with all the other new things I know about. This SHOT will be the biggest one yet for airguns. This entry was posted in, and tagged,.
Bookmark the. Post navigation. B.B., Nice report. The Wildfire and Gauntlet are exciting. Depending on the weight of the Gauntlet, it might have been a contender instead of the Maximus. The Air Venturi compressor is nice too and I think I saw it was to sell for around 1,400.
I wonder if it is self contained, or if it requires a low pressure compressor as the first stage? I am curious, and maybe you can ask around, but do the Manufacture’s ever see their (PCP) products showing up at Walmart and such anytime soon?
3 big name outdoor outfitter stores would be another option. I am talking “brick and mortar” stores. Maybe it does not matter. Maybe they never will.
On-line shopping is too easy. Maybe the “brick and mortars” will forever be the home of the 100-200$ break barrels and Red Ryders. I was just thinking of PCP’s hitting the “mass” market. Looking forward to more. RR, I do agree. I associated “mass market” with Wally’s.
Anyone could walk in and walk out with one. I am sure that the margins for the mfgr.
At those retail outlets is low. It could be that they have some “sacrificial” models that they are willing to make little on in order to just get them out there. In Ohio, we just had several major names pulling out of retail brick and mortar stores. On line seems to be the rule of the land. Less jobs, but lower overhead. Lower cost products.
It is what it is. I will be the first to admit that I try to stretch my dollars and try to get the most bang for the buck. Maybe we will see some brick and mortar air gun stores show up. I see the Shot Show had a program to introduce firearms dealers to air guns and try to get them to carry them. Nothing beats being able to walk in and lay your hands on something, hold it, shoulder it, look through a scope,etc. RR, I had a nice 4 question post for you and it vaporized. I did search saboted pellets on the blog and found one article from 2005.
1) It would appear that there is less friction involved=faster? 2) If the plastic is.22, for example, and it is the plastic that engages the rifling. Then wouldn’t the pellet be smaller than.22? 3) What insures the plastic falls off and not continue down range? 4) I am assuming that when you say that these would not be used in a shrouded/suppressed rifle is because of plastic debris getting caught in baffles?
I see these at Walmart all the time and have never tried any. I bet that there (are) a lot of people using them in shrouded/suppressed rifles. Any added insight you, or others.
Can offer would be appreciated. Thanks, Chris.
Chris, The sabot acts very much like the shot cup in many shotgun shells. As the sabot leaves the bore, the “petals” spread out and act like air brakes and the sabot slows and falls away from the projectile. With a shroud or suppressor this will likely happen within, causing an obstruction. Remington had a series of sabot rounds and I have seen such for muzzleloaders for some years now, but I have not personally had any experience with how well they perform. I am certain the projectile will attain higher velocities, however I question the accuracy of such as I have not seen much data concerning these. They have had projectiles like this for powder burners for a couple of years.
The hammer will probably be rifled. The sabto option is nice,.50 caliber rifle, capable of shooting shooting.50 caliber lead bullets. Air Venturi air bolts.45 caliber bullets in.50 caliber sabots. (Faster speeds).357 caliber bullets see Line above.30 caliber. See line above.25 caliber see above.
I am not a big bore guy, but for hunters, the options of smaller calibers from the same gun, IF. They are accurate, is very alluring. BB Thanks for your first report on the 2017 Shot Show. The products you mention sound like real game changers in the airgun community. I hope the next couple of days are equally as exciting as you peruse all the new products that will potentially hit the market this year. I say potentially, as a few interesting products shown at previous Shot Shows proved to be teasers, and failed to make it to actual market. However, it does look like a banner year for low priced PCP’s.
Have fun on the range testing, and evaluating the latest products. Wow, 2017 will be a good year for airguns. The Hammer being a big bore for under $1/fpe is just nuts.
Watch out everyone else. The Gauntlet should sure put pressure on Crosman.
I am glad to see someone paying attention to hobbyists. A regulated QB79 with a shroud is a big deal at that price. The Wildfire will sell like nothing else.
For that price everyone will want one. I am really interested in the new Umarex MSP pistol, the strike point. The only thing that makes me a little sad, is the MP40 being a BB shooter instead of pellets, but if it can shoot those lead BBs that would be good enough. RR, I would not buy one, but I like it. I have to wonder how well they would hold up to heavy use? Same as the blow back pistols that are all rage.
I just do not see the typical cast pot metal holding up over time. As for new products, I am reminded of car buying advice.
Get something with a proven track record. Try to never buy new. Try to never buy a “new model” in which a lot of major changes have taken place from a prior model (or) a first time new model. As for air gun related stuff. The word gets around within 6 months it seems. Testing and customer reviews will give you a pretty good idea by then.
Maybe a year out is even better. Something expensive like a compressor I would want to have a year.
The only exception to that is if the manufacturer had some really good long term data. Something like an accelerated use/wear test. Hiya Chris and the rest of the gang here! In the 70’s and 80’s I used to work part time in a very large gun shop here in CT.
He was also a class III dealer and thanks to him, I’ve handled and fired just about every iconic MG and SMG, I’m undecided as to wether the MP5 or S&W 76 is my favorite, I realize there is a large dichotomy between the two but there it is. The one exception was the MP-40 and this new thing may just do it for me. I have the Mauser BB pistol as well and so far it has held up under some fairly heavy usage. My gun club prohibits full auto fire so as to not alarm the neighbors but when I showed up with the M712 they were like kids in a candy store! The Air Venturi Pump is very appealing as it would save me having to depend on the good graces of my local FD.
Exciting stuff!! I am very interested to hear more about the compressors as that will be my next major purchase. Good that there will be some competition. Great that the manufactures are starting to target the low to mid priced PCP market but for that to be really successful I believe that there needs to be reasonably priced compressors/fill stations available. People like power and shot-count and that takes high pressure – but they don’t like hand pumps. I am guessing that compressors won’t sell if they are 3 or 4 times the cost of the rifle. Wish I could attend these shows in person, really appreciate the report B.B.!
RR I bought a 150cf /3442psi (heavy) steel scuba tank and made a little cart to wheel it around. Find it very convenient as I do all my shooting in the back yard. If I would do it again I would go with a large 4500psi carbon fiber tank with a shorter fill-hose. I have a 3-foot at the moment and it wastes a lot of air. When it comes to replacing it I will probably go to a 2-foot one.
Been shooting the FX 500 quite a bit. Getting 80 shots per fill on high-power and 140 plus (still counting) on low-power. Real pleased with it. Chris USA, The 500 is very nice. I prefer the simple mags on the HW100s but getting used to the loading sequence for the FX mags. I am in break-in mode (both for me and the rifle 🙂 ) shooting at low power and close range (25 yards) so I am shooting fairly fast.25 to.30 ctc 5 shots groups are pretty typical when I am not shivering too much – with some fun-fliers when I am LOL!
It was sunny and -9 F when I was shooting on Saturday. I am adding a “gun carrier” to my tank caddy so I can get away with a shorter reach hose. It may not make a big difference but they huge whoosh when bleeding 220 bar from a three foot hose makes me think of all the pellets that air could have been propelling.
Yeah, when I get a pump I probably won’t think of it. B.B., It’s no secret here that for me the Holy Grail would be an affordably priced PCP filler, so the Air Venturi and air Force compressors have me excited, as long as their P.O.S. Price is low enough to shake up the industry. Also, I am disappointed that Umarex chose to go with the Remington 1875 instead of the far more iconic Remington New Model “1858.” That model is MUCH more identifiable to Wild West buffs than the 1875. The 1875 was a largely unsuccessful attempt to compete with the Colt Peacemaker. A much better choice would have been either the Remington New Model 1858 or the the Colt 1851.
In every single western movie set before the 1870s (the days of the truly “wild” West), these are the revolvers brandished by every hero and every desperado. Westerns set much later feature the Colt SAA, not the Remington 1875. The grand exception among clasics is “The Wild Bunch,” in which the gunfighters are packing Colt 1911 pistols.
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I’m excited by the other new products you have reported on, but the Remington 1875 instead of the New Model 1858 (or Colt 1851) has me shaking my head. BB I believe the Wildfire will sale like wildfire. And shoot like wildfire at that. The HPA Wildfire was a no brainer. I bet it takes off like the Discovery’s did back when pcp’s were young. And I don’t mean wildfire as not accurate. If it’s anything like the HPA converted 1077 I had it will be accurate.
And get a a bunch of fast action shots down range. And if you get a chance can you ask Crosman if they will release a wood stock version of the Wildfire like they did with the 1077’s. I do hope they will. Oh and have fun there.
You can’t work all the time shooting and talking about all that air gun stuff you know. I always seem to be behind when it comes to anything new. I picked up a Crosman Legacy 1000 multi pump from Wally World this weekend for about 50 bucks with tax. It’s basically a 2100 with an aluminum piston rod that you can pump up 12 times instead of 10.
It’s hard to pump and it’s the first three stage trigger have had the displeasure of dealing with. The GTA blog reports 725 FPS with Crosman Premiers at 12 humps and, can you believe it, 880 FPS with 7.9 Crosman CPHP’s. It’s louder at 12 pumps than any other multi pump I’ve ever shot. Can’t understand why Crosman didn’t incorporate these features into the 2100 with its metal receiver and better trigger. That and put a lighter spring in the valve to make it easier to pump.
It seems that Crosman is determined to drive its lower-end guns into the ground. Crosman could have one of the best multi pumps around but instead have one of the worst with the bad trigger and hard pumping. I’m going to shoot it for a week to see if anything improves and if it doesn’t, I’m going to tear into it and try to fix these problems. Yep, you’re right. The old 760 Pumpmaster trigger was better than this. I can’t understand why models that were once Mainstays in the Crosman line keep getting worse and worse instead of better and better.
Three simple things that they could have done that I pointed out my previous reply and they’d have the best lower-priced multi pump out there. It seems that the gun operates with more pressure because they advertise using silicone chamber oil on the Crosman website but the printed instructions say to still use Pell-gun oil. People are still buying multi palms. The Black Ops Junior sniper was the number two seller for 2016 as reported by Pyramyd Air on the emails they sent out.
Chris USA, I believe Brent. For example the Makarov Ultra Blowback I bought (and returned) had a four stage trigger. Well, sometimes it was only three stages. How many stages it had fluctuated from shot to shot, although each stage was gritty regardless. Pulling the trigger moved the muzzle more widely than did the blowback. As I recently insulted the heavy and eccentric trigger of the Crosman 1077 here, I should note the 1077’s trigger is consistent, and the shooter can work with it.
The Makarov Ultra trigger is a grab bag. The trigger is about par for modern Crosman Rifles in the price range. Crosman did well in trading the metal reciever away for a metal piston and better bolt head (looks like it probably seals the barrel lead better than the version on the Crosman 2100). The pumping effort has almost nothing to do with the valve spring (I checked, with a lighter valve spring in one of mine), it has to do with the fact the Crosman Legacy 1000 has a much much more efficient pump, that is more of the air is actually getting compressed, and the pressure of the air being compressed is increasing the pump effort. It would likely be the same on a Crosman 2100 if you were to replace the plastic piston with a solid metal piston. The Crosman Legacy 1000 is a lot easier to pump than the Crosman 140, many times over easier.
As to the noise level, what do you expect, you put more air at higher pressure behind the pellet and it is going to make a bit more of a pop from the remaining air pressure after the pellet leaves the barrel. That is just the way it is.
The report you reference on GTA (just found it) says 880FPS at 15 pumps, not at 12 pumps. Mine will do 794FPS with 12 pumps and a 7 grain pellet.
Yes the the Legacy 1000 has a terrible trigger, tune it instead of complaining. Yes it has a difficult pump, that is the price of the added power. Yes it has a plastic reciever, that is how they kept the cost down. If they made it the way you want with a wear out pot metal receiver and better trigger it would be a $120 rifle, do you really want that?
It would still be just as hard to pump, as that is the price of power, try pumping a Crosman 140 with good seals one of these days, the legacy will seem easy. I shoot a Crosman 140 daily, so I do not notice the pump effort of the Crosman Legacy 1000. Being realistic for a $50 rifle the Crosman Legacy is great, quite accurate, very powerful for a low cost pumper. The 760 Pumpmaster, a less-expensive gun, had a better trigger than the Legacy does and you have to believe the Crosman had to invest more money to make a plastic receiver rather than the metal receiver that was already in the 2100. A lighter valve spring would make it easier to pump. You’d probably have to pay $0.25 for it at the most.
I’ve known Crosman guns since the 1960s and the level of quality they expect customers to accept now is just unacceptable compared to what it used to be. What year was your 760 made? And you do know that the trigger/sear are different on the two guns correct? Yes it did have a one time cost for the retool, it is still saving them money using plastic instead of pot-metal, do a little research.
I DID put a weaker valve spring in one of my two Crosman Legacy 1000’s and if there is any difference in pump force it is not enough to notice. I have to cock that 2100 in order to pump it now because of how weak the valve spring is. The bigger part of the problem is the force of the air, that overrides any effect of the valve spring, as I can not tell the difference, I only did the lighter spring to improve the performance of the rifle slightly. I agree the quality has went down since the 1960’s, though the price has not went up much with inflation. In order to keep the price down they have to sacrifice something.
And if you have been using them that long how are you complaining about the relitively easy pumping of the Crosman Legacy 1000 as compared to the Crosman 140/1400 which is a lot harder to pump to the full 12 pumps recommended in some of the manuals from that time. The Umarex Gauntlet sounds like an interesting answer to the Benjamin Wildfire to me, it only appears to add the availability of.22 cal, and likely a better trigger 🙂.
Is there something more the the Umarex Gauntlet that could make it more worth while? I guess you are not going to get the opportunity to try the Benjamin Wildfire from the sounds of it? The Benjamin Wildfire is the one new air rifle that I am most curious about, it has my attention. Finally we are going to have a truly low end PCP, complete with the bonus of a trigger that we can complain about all year, and it looks like they are not going to give you the opportunity to test it out at the Shot Show. I like the Crosman 1077, and am looking forward to an option that does not cost $500 per year in CO2, the Wildfire + Pump + a couple extra magazines + a bunch of extra clips is less than that. No doubt that the airgun industry has many more new ideas than the firearms industry.
That MP 40 is interesting. However, I was a little disappointed to learn that the firearms original had some flaws.
One was that the 32 round magazineemptied quickly. That’s not much more than a BAR as automatic weapons go. The bigger problem is that the gun tended to jam when held by the magazine as the ergonomics invite. I believe that in a head to head contest, at least in the rugged environment of the Eastern Front, that the Russian counterpart, the PPSH 41, was often preferred, not unlike the way they oft-maligned Mosin rifle held its own against the Mauser. Between the new Umarex PCP and the Galahad, the Benjamin Marauder will have its work cut to stay at the top.
I actually came across more airgun innovation the other day in a firearms magazine of all things. I believe it was called Firepower. Anyway, there was a story about how there is a battle against invasive iguanas in Puerto Rico. (These kinds of hunts can call forth some impressive firepower. I was reading how an island somewhere was cleared of feral pigs only after a kind of helicopter assault.) Anyway, the weapon of choice for the iguanas was a pcp made by Hatsan. With its black surface and sling, it looked like something out of James Bond.
It also challenged my idea that pcps cannot be used for hunting in rough terrain. These people in the story certainly looked the part wading through streams in a setting that looked like the jungles of New Guinea. Maybe they had their carbon fiber refill tank out of the camera frame. In any case, this is another opportunity to suggest a new product to airgun manufacturers. If you can manufacture a replaceable air reservoir of the kind that Air Arms has introduced, new dimensions will open up for the pcp. A number of these reservoirs can be slung over the shoulder in a canister that would look like a LAWS rocket. The hunting was quite challenging because of the ability of the iguanas to conceal themselves.
As proof the story featured a two page photo spread of a wall of trees where it claimed you could see three iguanas in plain sight, but I couldn’t see a single one. There is an entertaining story called The Most Dangerous Game about a villain who buys a private island so that he can hunt humans for the ultimate thrill. He could have tried iguanas instead. This setting could make for a challenging version of field target. It also reminds me of another story about iguanas that I might have posted awhile ago. A friend of a friend in Florida can’t stand iguanas and woke up one morning to see a huge one sprawled on the roof of her car. In hysterics, she called a cab company so that she could go to work, but they had no cars available.
When she screeched that “he” was still outside, they got concerned. They thought that this might be the case of a stalker that would involve the police. When they finally got it out of her that the assailant was an iguana, there was loud laughter over the phone, but then their whole office joined together to solve the problem. Bubble shooter deluxe game free download full version for pc. By this time, the iguana had crawled under the car with just its tail poking out behind. The taxi company advised the woman to roll fruit to entice the iguana away. She bowled away with various fruits and finally succeeded in luring the iguana away from the car at which point she sprinted into the passenger side and roared off.
An air rifle would have been more efficient, but the woman probably wouldn’t have gone for it. Actually, you are referring to a short story from very long ago called, “The Most Dangerous Game,” which I believe was also adapted into a movie of the same title. “The Island of Dr. Moreau” was a movie about a mad scientist who turned humans into half human-half-animals on his private island. Then there was a Peter Benchley (of “Jaws” fame) novel called “The Island” with a similar premise of a madman on his private Island. That was a terrible novel made into a terrible movie starring Michael CaIne. Receive 10% off your next order when you sign up for PyramydAir.com emails.10% off coupon code will be sent to the email address provided.
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